DNA LineagesJohn Runciman
#1233, (May 1784 - )
| Father | Thomas Runciman (cir. Jul 1762 - bt 1818 - 1841); With the same occupation for Thomas at his marriage, and at the baptism of John, this link seems clear, and the John married to Marion/May Weatherly was the son of a Thomas, occupation unknown |
| Mother | Jean Simpson (say 1760 - ) |
| WebIntro(Research) | Does a tailor become a hind? Are there two families here or one? With the differences in occupation I had doubts about my identification of these family connections, however "reasonable" they seemed when I first made them. My answer is now yes, as at least the son of a taylor does indeed become a hind/land steward. I had the answer all along, the death cert. of son John clearly shows his father (John married to Marion Weatherly) as a land steward. The tailor connection: 1783: Thomas Runciman and Jean Simpson marry in Haddington, Thomas a taylor, (recorded in the Dunbar OPR) 1784: John, son of Thomas and Jean (Simpson), taylor at Broxburn born/baptised This John is linked to the one married to May/Marion Weatherly through the latter 's marriage which gives John's father as Thomas, albeit with no occupations listed for either father or son. An earlier Thomas was a tailor, eg 1770 bap. Alexander s/o Thomas and Barbara Wallis - which latter surname features as a witness somewhere (yet to be refound) The farming connections (which may or may not indicate a different family despite the same wife's names): 1798: at Crawhill: a son George born to Thomas a hind. 1808 Isabella born to John and May (Weatherly) which may be the link crossing the boundary between tailor Thomas and hind Thomas. 1871 death of John son of John and Marion (Weatherly) in Edinburgh, father John shown as a land steward, deceased. 1885 Thomas (married to Mary Redpath) is linked because his death cert states his parents as Thomas, general labourer, and Jane, albeit without a surname for Jane. Alexander (married to Joan Manderson) is linked to farming Thomas by naming pattern of his children, and because a Thomas, hind was witness to several of his children's baptisms, at Mickle Pinkerton, which place features in several earlier entries in the Dunbar OPRs, eg birth of George 1734 to Thomas and Helen (Stevensone). Alexander, possibly this one, is linked as witness to marriage of John and Marion Weatherly at Oldhamstocks (banns Innerwick where father Thomas was cautioner for the groom) Once Alexander is linked in, this also links in the George married to Janet Darling, as their respective children Agnes and George are documented on their 1861 marriage cert as first cousins. With large gaps in the known children for George and Janet there was room to fit in a son Thomas, who has now been found (died Edinburgh 1877) to add naming pattern into the evidence for the prosecution Until I found the Crawhill connection I was coming to the conclusion that there were two families, but even with the Crawhill connection between Alexander's and John's families, it still isn't really "proof" that they are one family but could be indicative of two Johns, one son of the tailor, the other married to May Weatherly. |
| Birth | John Runciman was born 2 May 1784 Broxburn, Par. of Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland. |
| Baptism | He was baptized 9 May 1784 Par. of Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland, entry reads: Born 2d May & Baptized 9th 1784 John Runciman son of Thos Runciman Taylor in Broxburn and Jean Simpson his wife. Wits: Alexr Runciman & Robt Wallace. |
| Marriage | He married May Weatherly 15 Nov 1808 Par. of Innerwick, East Lothian, Scotland, entry for Nov 15th reads: Booked names in order to marriage - John Runciman in this parish and Marion Weatherlie in the parish of Oldhamstocks - Thomas Runciman (his father) for the Bridgegroom and John Weatherlie (her Father) for the Bride, Cautioners. Proclaimed according to oder and married. ( Also a dtr Jean Cockburnspath 1809 which aids the naming pattern identification). |
Family | May Weatherly (say 1785 - ) |
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