DNA LineagesThomas Runciman
#1192, (cir. 1791 - Dec 1885)
| Possible father | Thomas Runciman (cir. Jul 1762 - bt 1818 - 1841); This Thomas and Jane are in the right time and place to match son Thomas' death cert's parents, even though there is no known baptism extant |
| Possible mother | Jean Simpson (say 1760 - ) |
| Recruit(Relationship2Prove) | The project would like to recruit a representative of Thomas's line to prove a relationship with Thomas Runciman It would also be good to find a proven descendant of Thomas and Jean to aid the identification of this couple as the parents of the Thomas who married Mary Redpath, Alexander who married Joan Manderson, George who married Janet Darling; John married to Marion/May Weatherley and of the William who married Janet Paxton. Results already in for a descendant of Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN's son John, it rather looks like no match to William of Crail, at this stage, but given another line, that of John married to May WEATHERLEY, does match descendants of William of Crail, confirming results are most definitely needed from another descendant of Thomas and Mary. |
| WebIntro(Research) | Does a tailor become a hind? Are there two families here or one? With the differences in occupation I had doubts about my identification of these family connections, however "reasonable" they seemed when I first made them. My answer is now yes, as at least the son of a taylor does indeed become a hind/land steward. I had the answer all along, the death cert. of son John clearly shows his father (John married to Marion Weatherly) as a land steward. The tailor connection: 1783: Thomas Runciman and Jean Simpson marry in Haddington, Thomas a taylor, (recorded in the Dunbar OPR) 1784: John, son of Thomas and Jean (Simpson), taylor at Broxburn born/baptised This John is linked to the one married to May/Marion Weatherly through the latter 's marriage which gives John's father as Thomas, albeit with no occupations listed for either father or son. An earlier Thomas was a tailor, eg 1770 bap. Alexander s/o Thomas and Barbara Wallis - which latter surname features as a witness somewhere (yet to be refound) The farming connections (which may or may not indicate a different family despite the same wife's names): 1798: at Crawhill: a son George born to Thomas a hind. 1808 Isabella born to John and May (Weatherly) which may be the link crossing the boundary between tailor Thomas and hind Thomas. 1871 death of John son of John and Marion (Weatherly) in Edinburgh, father John shown as a land steward, deceased. 1885 Thomas (married to Mary Redpath) is linked because his death cert states his parents as Thomas, general labourer, and Jane, albeit without a surname for Jane. Alexander (married to Joan Manderson) is linked to farming Thomas by naming pattern of his children, and because a Thomas, hind was witness to several of his children's baptisms, at Mickle Pinkerton, which place features in several earlier entries in the Dunbar OPRs, eg birth of George 1734 to Thomas and Helen (Stevensone). Alexander, possibly this one, is linked as witness to marriage of John and Marion Weatherly at Oldhamstocks (banns Innerwick where father Thomas was cautioner for the groom) Once Alexander is linked in, this also links in the George married to Janet Darling, as their respective children Agnes and George are documented on their 1861 marriage cert as first cousins. With large gaps in the known children for George and Janet there was room to fit in a son Thomas, who has now been found (died Edinburgh 1877) to add naming pattern into the evidence for the prosecution Until I found the Crawhill connection I was coming to the conclusion that there were two families, but even with the Crawhill connection between Alexander's and John's families, it still isn't really "proof" that they are one family but could be indicative of two Johns, one son of the tailor, the other married to May Weatherly. |
| Birth | He was born cir. 1791 Dunbar, Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. |
| Marriage | He married Mary Redpath 5 Dec 1812 Innerwick, East Lothian, Scotland. |
| Death | Thomas Runciman died 3 Dec 1885 Cairncross, Par. of Coldingham, Berwickshire, Scotland. |
| Researcher(Progenitor) | Thomas's line is being researched by Neil Runciman (R-9). Email: Neil (email current as at May 2010). |
Family | Mary Redpath (say 1790 - Jul 1859) |
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| Charts | Runciman Lineage 2b Runciman Lineage 1c: Alexander & Janet (HENDRIE) RUNCIMAN of Dunbar, ELN |
| Last Edited | 4 Sep 2011 |
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